Now before I start, do not say, I'm racist or a big, etc. because I've looked into this closely for many years. What I have seen and i'm sure you have too is that pretty much every Indian I know and there are a bunch either want to be a doctor (sometimes dentist) or are already one. If you look in medical schools, Indian demographics is nearing 50% of the total class, more than whites in some school. Do you think that they should be allowed to take spots away from other people who have long represented the American medical system. I CAN NOT (THIS IS ME SPEAKING ALSO) SEE all the patients just wanting to see Indian doctors even though most are 1st generation that are trying to get into medical school.
Second, don't tell me that all are smart or americans are lazy cuz for the low amount of spots there are for medical school you can find enough diligent white or black americans( many gen. back). Most indians I know are not smart but they believe that they are entitiled because that is what is expected and that is what their parents want. My dad who is a doctor has said most Indians get into it for the money, but they fail to realize all the problems in it like the lawsuits and malpractice problems since there families have not been here long enough. they just see the money.
Anyways give me your opinion?? and like I said im following community guidelines
Ian , honestly u can call me whatever u want, i have indian friends. u have no proof of what u said, and ur talking just tried to cover up lack of any worthy data
Ian
You know what I hate? When people play the "You know I'm not a racist" card and then proceed to give a detailed description of something that most people would qualify as being racist. Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you match the description of somebody who discriminates against a particular group for unfounded reasons.
Edit: I know you're probably not a racist, it's just the phrase kind've gets on my nerves. You're probably right that they are overrepresented in med schools, but it's generally because they have better stats. In fact, it's reasonable to argue that they have it rougher than any other race in America when it comes to applying to med school/college in general. If you don't believe me, look at the acceptance rates between the different races on this website. Interesting to say the least:
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-mcatgpa-grid-3yrs-app-accpt-raceeth.htm
Lucy
Indians are very smart ! and no theyr not in it just for the money!...why do u wanna be a doctor?(if u do) dnt tell me u just have the passion! everyone is in it for the money if anything, nd if they werent smart they wudnt get into medical school anyways !
Eggroll Boy
Although your question is reasonable and straight to the point, I am afraid that if I try to answer it honestly, some of my opinions will be regarded as inappropriate or unprofessional, perhaps in violation of terms or guidelines, but there's one thing that you bring up that I am profoundly impressed by.
The ethnicity of the physician is important to many patients, just like the gender of the physician may be very important to women seeking an OB/Gyn. Perhaps a patient is seeking someone who speeks the same language or is otherwise more comfortable with a physician from the same background as them. Medicine is the one place where this tight relationship and good fit between doctor and patient is critical to obtaining the best outcome.
This is, perhaps, the greatest argument for why instead of looking to fill seats with underrepresented minorities, med schools should try hard to fill seats first and foremost with the most qualified people, then to look at which cultures, ethnicities and so forth patients wish for their doctors to come from. After all, we are here to serve the patient, period.
Having said that, the single most important determinant of who is admitted to medical school should be the students objective performance on the MCAT & in her or his undergraduate classes. (The school where they went to for the undergrad schooling should obviously be factored in as well, i.e. if they received a 3.8 GPA from MIT, I think this should carry a lot more weight than a 4.0 GPA at a weaker school).
Beyond that, I apologize that I am avoiding your excellent question, but I fear that I may say things that are not PC and so my account may be suspended or I may receive a violation for saying these things.
Not a Sheep
My opinion? I want the best doctor to treat me, regardless of age, sex, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, hair color.... I think most people who value their lives would say the same thing.
What do you mean by 'taking away from other people who have long represented the American medical system'? Do you mean white or black Americans who are not as smart but had a father who was a doctor? That statement of yours sure makes you sound like a racist even if you claim not to be one.
Mathieu
It is an interesting thought but with respect your logical is a bit flawed in several respects. It is never a good idea to make an assumption based upon your experience alone. The Indians I know are all brilliant and not at all greedy, especially the people from The Republic of India and first generation.
Your father may say the Indian doctors he knows are doing the job for the money, perhaps they are. But that does not represent everyone. What about the fact I know a lot of Indian doctors who are not in it for the money? And a lot of doctors do what they do for the money, that is certainly not limited to any single group and if we were to talk in stereotypes the white people (I am white by the way) would rank first in greed.
I certainly won't tell you that all Indians are smart because that is simply not true nor are all Americans lazy, that is simply not true.
Why do you have to think that a certain thing applies to all members of a group, can't some Indians (and white Americans) be smart, hardworking, decent human beings? Can't some be stupid bloody twits? And can't some be dull students with a C+ average?
Also things can change based on your age and where you live. If you (and by extent many of the Indians you know) are in high school then I am sure some of them are overly confident, think they are the centre of the world, and are completely brilliant. Most people in their teens, at one time or another, think they are a lot better than they are regardless of their race, colour, place of birth (or anything else).
And depending on where you live the demographics are different and the income is different and that will effect how everyone thinks of themselves and others. Depending on these and other factors that may lead to a feeling of entitlement but it is NOT exclusive to Indians. When I graduated high school (in The US) most of the people in my class, even I to some extent, felt entitled to a lot. In fact many people think (and stereotype) young Americans as feeling too entitled.
I know of the places I have lived in two have HUGE Indian populations- Toronto, CA and London, UK. In London the largest minority group are Indians and Indian citizenship (held by about 200,000 London Residents) is the most common minority citizenship. About 14% of London is from South-East Asia. And in Toronto, where I got my undergrad degree, about 48% of the population is not white and the largest minority is South-East Asian at 14%. So that is some of my background being in "white" cities with a lot of Indians.
When it comes to Indians being allowed to "take spots away from other people who have long represented the American medical system" that is a much different issue. Yes a lot of Indians go to medical school and I am sure you are correct and some schools have a majority Indian population. But where do you draw the line? Is a person from India who is a naturalized US citizen an American in your eyes? Should a first generation American citizen of Indian decent be classified as more American or Indian?
The way the system works is that medical schools get to pick their students and the reality is that many Indians do very well in school and have grades to get into med school. Do you think there should be a preference for whites? What about non American whites? Should there be a cap on the number of Indians? And how will you define an Indian? Most of the Indians I know did have significant pressure from their parents to succeed and get a great job like a doctor and from several studies I have read that is part of the reason Indians (and Asians in general) are in large numbers getting into medical school.
And medical schools should pick the best students, no matter where they are from or their skin colour.
And although American doctors have made major contributions to the world but you almost sound like you think whites should be the majority in the medical system because that is how it has always been. American medicine is due to great doctors and hard workers, in the past it happens that the vast majority have been white but that certainly does not mean whites have a monopoly on being great doctors.
What I don't understand is what is it you want? Fewer Indian doctors? Are you more concerned that all the Indian doctors won't care about people, only money? What would you have done?
And based on the fact you say things like "u have no proof of what u said, and ur talking just tried to cover up lack of any worthy data" makes me think you would be more logical so why are you making such extreme generalizations that you can't prove. Or can you prove that Indians are stupid?
I try (and I do fail sometimes) not to make huge assumptions. No one can actually say you are a racist based on what you wrote alone. Some of it sounds racist, particularly talking about the people who have represented American medicine. But that is not really enough to draw any conclusions.
Stephen
diversity is always best so no one group should dominate
Orignal From: Opinion? Do you think that Indians/Asians should be allowed to completely dominate a profession?
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